<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Questions Regarding Cylinder Temperature Distribution and Turbo-Normalized Engine Performance]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hello,</p>
<p dir="auto">I would like to share a few observations concerning both the turbo-normalized and normally aspirated versions of the Commander. I have noticed similar behaviour in other Black Square aircraft, particularly the Bonanza and Baron.</p>
<p dir="auto">In all of these aircraft, cylinder No. 4 appears to be consistently modelled as the cylinder with the highest EGT and, in many situations, the highest CHT. The behaviour is so predictable that there is little need to use the Lean Find function I already know that cylinder No. 4 will be the first one to reach peak EGT.</p>
<p dir="auto">I understand that a particular cylinder may consistently run hotter in a real aircraft because of the geometry of the cooling baffles, uneven induction airflow, injector flow differences or probe placement. However, I find it unusual that the same cylinder number appears to be the hottest across several aircraft with different engine installations.</p>
<p dir="auto">Could you clarify whether this is an intentional characteristic of each aircraft and its engine installation, or whether the products share a common cylinder temperature model that assigns the highest temperature to cylinder No. 4?</p>
<p dir="auto">It is also worth distinguishing between EGT and CHT. The cylinder showing the highest absolute EGT does not necessarily have to show the highest CHT. EGT is strongly affected by mixture distribution and the position of each cylinder relative to peak EGT, whereas CHT is more closely related to cylinder pressure, power production, ignition timing and cooling airflow.</p>
<p dir="auto">I have also noticed some behaviour in the turbo-normalized Commander that I would like to understand better.</p>
<p dir="auto">As altitude increases, the indicated engine power appears to decrease even below the system’s critical altitude. My understanding is that a turbo normalizing system should maintain the required manifold pressure up to its critical altitude. Therefore, with the same manifold pressure, RPM, mixture setting and approximately the same fuel flow, I would expect the engine to retain broadly similar power.</p>
<p dir="auto">I appreciate that constant manifold pressure and RPM do not guarantee perfectly constant brake horsepower. Compressor-discharge temperature, induction-air density, exhaust backpressure, volumetric efficiency and mixture scheduling may still produce a gradual change in actual power. Nevertheless, the reduction currently appears greater than I would expect from those effects alone.</p>
<p dir="auto">I have also observed that EGT decreases steadily during a constant climb. I do not think this can be explained directly by the reduction in outside-air temperature, because EGT is primarily determined by the fuel air ratio, combustion conditions, power setting and ignition timing. Colder ambient air may affect the result indirectly, but it should not by itself cause a proportional reduction in EGT.</p>
<p dir="auto">CHT is more complicated. My initial expectation was that it might gradually increase as the aircraft climbs because the cooling-air mass flow decreases and the turbocharger has to work progressively harder. However, I recognise that CHT does not necessarily have to rise continuously. It represents a balance between heat generated by the cylinders and heat removed by the cooling airflow.</p>
<p dir="auto">If manifold pressure, RPM and fuel flow remain approximately constant below critical altitude, I would expect CHT and EGT/TIT to remain reasonably stable after the initial climb transient, although some gradual change would be realistic. The exact direction would depend on mixture, compressor-discharge temperature, cooling airflow, cowl-flap position and the characteristics of the installation.</p>
<p dir="auto">Near the critical altitude, the wastegate should approach its fully closed position and the turbocharger should reach the limit of its ability to maintain the selected manifold pressure. Above that altitude, manifold pressure and available power should begin to decrease. Assuming the mixture is adjusted appropriately, I would then generally expect CHT to decrease as power falls. EGT or TIT may also decrease, although its exact behaviour will depend heavily on mixture control and fuel flow.</p>
<p dir="auto">Could you therefore clarify how the following parameters are modelled in the Commander?</p>
<p dir="auto">Individual cylinder fuel–air distribution.<br />
Individual cylinder cooling efficiency.<br />
The relationship between EGT and CHT for each cylinder.<br />
Turbocharger wastegate position and critical altitude.<br />
Compressor-discharge temperature and any intercooling effect.<br />
Fuel-flow or mixture compensation with altitude.<br />
The calculation of engine power when manifold pressure and RPM are held constant.</p>
<p dir="auto">I would be particularly interested to know whether cylinder No. 4 is intentionally assigned less cooling or a different mixture distribution, and whether the observed reduction in turbo-normalized power below critical altitude is expected behaviour or a limitation of the simulation model.</p>
<p dir="auto">Thank you.<br />
Seb</p>
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I’ll verify this in stabilized level flight at several altitudes, using the same manifold pressure, RPM and full-rich mixture, and report the exact values.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.justflight.com/post/53330</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.justflight.com/post/53330</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SebAvi]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:55:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Questions Regarding Cylinder Temperature Distribution and Turbo-Normalized Engine Performance on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:32:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/sebavi">@<bdi>SebAvi</bdi></a> said in <a href="/post/53326">Questions Regarding Cylinder Temperature Distribution and Turbo-Normalized Engine Performance</a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">Hopefully, once you’ve developed these new techniques, you’ll be able to carry them over to your earlier aircraft as well.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Already done.  The list of new features I'm backporting to my older aircraft now exceeds the entire list of features in my first aircraft, I believe.</p>
<p dir="auto">One more thought on the below-critical-altitude performance:  Are you basing your observations entirely on the horsepower indicator?  All I can say for certain right now is that my system maintains the optimal fuel-to-air ratio all the way up, and the manifold pressure is maintained at atmospheric the whole way too.  If there is a reduction in horsepower (calculated from RPM and torque), that's going to be on the Asobo end of things.  Unless I missed anything with the new release, of course.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.justflight.com/post/53329</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.justflight.com/post/53329</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Black Square]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:32:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Questions Regarding Cylinder Temperature Distribution and Turbo-Normalized Engine Performance on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:17:08 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi Nick,</p>
<p dir="auto">Thank you for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify how the engine model works, especially considering how busy you must be after the release.</p>
<p dir="auto">It also confirms that my observations regarding cylinder #4 were not entirely off the mark, so it’s great to hear that you’re planning to give each aircraft its own cylinder characteristics and asymmetric CHT behaviour. I think that will make the engine monitoring experience even more convincing.</p>
<p dir="auto">I’m also glad to hear you’ll take another look at the power behaviour below critical altitude. I understand there will always be some compromises between physical accuracy and performance, but it’s very reassuring to know you’re continually refining these systems.</p>
<p dir="auto">I’m keeping my fingers crossed for the ongoing engine monitor and engine model improvements. Hopefully, once you’ve developed these new techniques, you’ll be able to carry them over to your earlier aircraft as well. It would be fantastic to see the Bonanza, Baron and the rest of the fleet benefit from the same refinements.</p>
<p dir="auto">Thanks again for the excellent support and for being so open about the technical side of your work.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.justflight.com/post/53326</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.justflight.com/post/53326</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SebAvi]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:17:08 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Questions Regarding Cylinder Temperature Distribution and Turbo-Normalized Engine Performance on Mon, 03 Aug 2026 21:11:51 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I hope you don't mind if I answer this in list form, since I'm still receiving a high volume of communications after the release:</p>
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<p dir="auto">There is a table in my code that assigns the relative cylinder variations for each engine and aircraft.  It accounts for geometric engine arrangements, and also for pitch and airspeed effects on individual cylinders.  I just haven't thought to change it on a per-aircraft basis.  Since I'm doing major work on the engine monitors right now, I will add some variations for each aircraft, and a separate table for some asymmetric CHT variation.</p>
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<p dir="auto">The overall per-engine CHT and EGT trends are calculated by the simulator, then modified by my code, then split into the different cylinders based on a few dynamic effects and the table discussed above.</p>
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<p dir="auto">The wastegate position is a little bit of an afterthought to provide a visualization for the tablet.  My turbocharger code doesn't really think in terms of a wastegate, though it provides the same effect one.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Power should not be lost with altitude until the critical altitude, though some variation is to be expected, as you point out.  Some fluctuation (maybe 10-15 hp) while climbing is the result of the simulator's performance tablets being linearly interpolated, while I approximate them with various continuous functions for performance reasons.  I'll check later.</p>
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<p dir="auto">The actual turbocharger speed, as simulated, affects the fuel-to-air ratio, but there are no intercooler air density effects beyond the change to ambient air temperature with altitude.</p>
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